View Full Version : Davin24, VERY dissapointing!!
http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/showthread.php?threadid=134877&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
Don't take initiative to appologize on behalf of EVERYONE in canada. Do it on your own behalf. I posted there, you kinda ticked me off. But dude, come on, you created a flame war among fellow canadians in a thread DIRECTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! Make us look even fucking dumber. good job dude:thumbup: :rolleyes:
SpeedFreakSteve
03-26-03, 09:26 AM
Good post man! Some of those guys are so clueless. I hope we don't end up starting a brawl at the national gathering. Well.. maybe a small one would be ok. j/k
Ya, I was upset with him also.
Not much can be done about it, people will believe what they want. Unfortunately it makes the rest of us look bad.
Monopoly
03-26-03, 10:10 AM
i love the part where he says "french canadians arent really canadians as far as im concerned."
Wtf is he on??? were they not the first ones here before us?? fucking moron
quarantee'd he's not even pure canadian himself unlike me
ehhehe like I've said before... some people are just born stupid
memystealthandi
03-26-03, 01:37 PM
Well, I'm not going to say whether I agree or disagree. I'll be the "typical" canadian and sit on the fence..lol.
Anyways all Davin was doing is stating his opinion, which he is definately entitled to. Perhaps he has a different opinion as a few others do that have spent a lot of time outside of canada (such as myself). Either way, I think he did go to far in apologizing on behalf of "everyone" in Canada.
Lets not start a flame war here, and stop with the name calling. It is uncalled for, and childish.
I've known Davin for a while now, since we met at the Alberta gathering last year. If you're looking to start a flame was with him, you're going to lose. I've seen what he can do on the beyond.ca forums...lol.
I would however like you to explain further why you think...
"french canadians arent really canadians".
I too have my problems with how western canada is treated by eastern canada (gov't wise, etc.) But won't go as far as to say that.
Peace....:thumbup:
Monopoly
03-26-03, 08:15 PM
sorry dude i've never been out west before so i wouldnt know what goes on out there... whatever french canadians did a lot for our country thats all i was tryin to say
memystealthandi - please feel free to speak your mind about your issues with us (the eastern provinces). If you don't that can only imply to us that there isn't a problem when apparently there is.
However, I will say this to start. I know westerns, mainly Albertan's, are upset and think Ontario and Quebec control the federal parliment. And to a point you are right. We do have over half of the countries population, and therefore should represent the majority of the seats. However, to think we single handedly voted in the liberals would be nieve, I as I do believe they did get quite a number of seats from your province and the other western provinces. So it wasn't just "us". You can also blame the Reform or Canadian Alliance parties which vitually refused to campaign over here. They made appearances here and there, but put no effort into their campaign. If they were actually serious about winning the election one would think they would try hard to get seats from the largest voting populous in the country. I blame the leadership of the parties more then anything for not giving us a reason to vote for them. I also find it funny that the past 2 elections in Ontario were won by the Conservatives, not the liberals, so that has to say something.
Further, I do know that people in Alberta imparticularly resent the people over this way because they feel we are using "their" oil and stealing "their" tax dollars. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done to dispell that belief except say that it is a give and take world. We provide you with many goods and services just and you do to us. The tax dollars are spread evenly (or so I think) across the country based on population, so ya, Ontario will get the most, but we pay the most also. I know for a fact that companies in Ontario are promoting alberta for a place to do business because my firm does it a lot. No PST, a growing population and a strong workforce all add up to a great place to promote industry. Do you think U.S. companies would have thought of that? Not really, that is why we are here. We are also big on promoting Nova Scotia for incorporating.
The point I am trying to make here is that we are all in this together. No province can go it alone. If Alberta, Quebec or Ontario separated they would faulter and die quickly. And if you want action or a specific political party in the house, encourage them to come over here and campaign, or else don't blame us when the liberals win again (even though they will anyway. Personally I wouldn't vote for any other party at this time as they all have weak leadership, poor platforms and are falling apart).
Later
Monopoly
03-26-03, 11:09 PM
legalize weed! Ya!:D
Davin24
03-27-03, 05:04 PM
ok ok ok guys geez.....you want me to explain i will....
First off, I didn t re read my first post on 3si, and i probably should have....I hate to do it but i apologize to those whom i ve offended. Ok now that thats out of the way, why DID i say that? Because, ever since the separation vote years ago i ve been really pissed off at the people of Quebec....why? Because almost half of them tried to split up the greatest country in the world, thats why. I know that it was obvilously NOT the majority but at 49.44% that was pretty close to me. So IF that 49.44% wanted to LEAVE CANADA, then as far as I m concerned, they didn t want to be Canadian. THATS why I said what i said. It pissed me off then and it still pisses me off today. I ll probably never get over it. But I shouldn t have generalized all Quebecers like i did....But to the ones who voted YES to separate....no, I don t consider them Canadian.
There i ve explained myself
One word to Malice....
actually in manitoba, sask. alberta, and BC...the Liberals won 14 seats altogether..... Yes you in the East control who wins the election......we have zero say, and thats why we get pissed off out here. Check out this link
http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/maps/reference/elections/election2000
Well see now i agree with you, LOL. I'll also appologize for my choice of words in 3si.
:)
My Cat's Name is Mittens!!
:D :p
http://www.webcom.com/andyr/ralph/rwanim.gif
memystealthandi
03-28-03, 01:43 AM
malice, you seem to know the issues many of us westerners have with the east. I don't think there is any need to explain further.
I won't get into reasons as to why the alliance did not campaign out east either...
I wish it would have stayed this manered in 3si and got nasty in here instead, LOL. (yes, i'm partly to blame for the 3si thread :D )
Davin,
here are the actual results from the last election. Yes the CA won the majority of the seats, but it did that with only 58.8% of the popular vote. 21% of Albertan voted liberal and they won a couple seats:
http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/results.html
And you can't expect me to vote for Stockwell Day and his party when they don't campaign or do anything over here. Stockwell Day isn't even the leader of the party anymore. How many leaders have they gone through also? Like 3 in their 6 year life.
The liberals also took the most seats in 9 of the 13 provinces/territories, with the Block barely edging them out in PQ and Saskatchewan (47.7% of the votes), Alberta (as stated above) and BC (49.5% of the votes) being taken by the CA. So it was more then just ontario. You could take half of the seats the liberals won in Ontario and give them to the CA and they still wouldn't have won.
As for Ontario being the focal point for elections, that is the way it is and that way it should be. Why? Because southern Ontario has more people then all Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan combined (see demographics from stats Can http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/030326/d030326c.htm ). Ontario makes up over a 1/3rd of Canada's population and Ontario and Quebec make up 58% of Canada's population.
Not trying to be an idiot here, but when it comes right down it, yes we should be the focal point for elections and the CA dropped the ball on that.
I also don't like some of the crap the liberals have pulled recently (gun registry, kyoto to a point), but until another party actually steps up and puts together a platform and figure head worth voting for, I can't see myself voting any other way.
I hope you can see where I am coming from. I love Canada, and I am proud to say that. We have had our faults recently, but no worse then before under the likes of Mulroney etc.
Later man,
:)
memystealthandi
03-28-03, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Malice
And you can't expect me to vote for Stockwell Day and his party when they don't campaign or do anything over here. Stockwell Day isn't even the leader of the party anymore. How many leaders have they gone through also? Like 3 in their 6 year life.
=:)
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the election called earlier than expected, and hence did not give Stockwell Day and his party much time to get their act together out east. Thereby giving the liberals the opportunity they needed? At least that was the story we heard out west at the time.
Still an excuse is an excuse....
I still think it was a mistake on Day's part not to focus on the east with what little time he had. Also probably one of the contributing factors to his loss of the leadership role.
I never heard that theory before, and if true, it may explain a bit.
Would more time to campaign over here have made a huge difference? Maybe, maybe not. I am sure they would have gotten a few more seats. I know northern ontario wanted a right wing party in there.
This years election is going to be very interesting. I have a feeling the only party that will contend with the liberals will be the PC's. I just can't see any of the unestablished parties doing anything.
With Martin or Manley (more likely Martin) becoming the new head of the liberals, things are going to happen. He seems to be a lot more open then the senile old coot we have now. He also seems to have a better economic background to actually help Canada grow to the point where we can afford to build our military to the point of respectability again, and raise the $ up a bit (not too much, as the low $$ encourages US companies to come up here for the educated and cheap labour).
Davin24
03-28-03, 10:59 AM
Yes Mailice its true that there are WAAAY more people living in ontario, Quebec etc. and that is why they get more votes....to a lot of us out west, that is whats wrong.....voting should be more by geographic rather than strictly population. Even so yes the Liberals would have won the election....but POSSIBLY not a majority. Thats the problem. EVERY stupid little idea the Liberals get (Kyoto, Gun reg. etc) they can put through with ease. Not only that, but then they get copiuos amounts of liberal senators that we are stuck with for eternity.
True the CA got called on an early election...that was a rookie mistake...but you have to admit, the media totally crucified Stockwell.....he had some great ideas for the country...i guess its a shame that the east never got to hear them.
I heard some of his views. Of which I can I did agree a few. It has been a while so I recall the actual issues, but I was tempted to vote reform last election.
I am known to flip-flop a lot, and choice the party I feel will bring the most stability, with a good figure head. Day's ultra christian views wore on me even though I am catholic, which isn't a good sign when people who have nearly the same religion get tired of hearing about God, Christ and Christanity.
Voting based on Geographic location is why we have provinces. That way the province can look out for its own issues. Changing it to geographic location takes away from the democratic process, as the will of the majority could be ignored totally. It is up to the provincial government to do what want it's residents want. That is why we have the 3 tier system. Unfortunately, it isn't perfect. But is it by far not the worst in the world.
Democracy is all about the people, not where they are from.
Originally posted by Davin24
voting should be more by geographic rather than strictly population.
I dunno what is there 2 mil in the Maratimes & NL. i dunno if that would be right....
but what do I know.... my cat's name is still mittens, lol:D
memystealthandi
03-28-03, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Malice
With Martin or Manley (more likely Martin) becoming the new head of the liberals, things are going to happen. He seems to be a lot more open then the senile old coot we have now. He also seems to have a better economic background to actually help Canada grow to the point where we can afford to build our military to the point of respectability again, and raise the $ up a bit (not too much, as the low $$ encourages US companies to come up here for the educated and cheap labour).
True, the CA and day did get crucified by the media, and the early election. Day has given several lectures at the university of Calgary, most of which I've attended, he seemed very intelligent, but the media put a great spin on things and made him look like an idiot.
However, even thought I am not generally pro-liberal if Martin becomes head of the liberals I will not hesitake to put a check mark next to their name on the ballot. He definately has a better economic sense about them..
Everyone needs an economist.....(yes, sorry to say, I am an economist...:bigup: )
Originally posted by Monopoly
legalize weed! Ya!:D
:bigup: I second that motion!!!
Originally posted by Davin24
[B]ok ok ok guys geez.....you want me to explain i will....
First off, I didn t re read my first post on 3si, and i probably should have....I hate to do it but i apologize to those whom i ve offended. Ok now that thats out of the way, why DID i say that? Because, ever since the separation vote years ago i ve been really pissed off at the people of Quebec....why? Because almost half of them tried to split up the greatest country in the world, thats why. I know that it was obvilously NOT the majority but at 49.44% that was pretty close to me. So IF that 49.44% wanted to LEAVE CANADA, then as far as I m concerned, they didn t want to be Canadian. THATS why I said what i said. It pissed me off then and it still pisses me off today. I ll probably never get over it. But I shouldn t have generalized all Quebecers like i did....But to the ones who voted YES to separate....no, I don t consider them Canadian.
There i ve explained myself
Man that wasn't hard ! I would of excused you if you said that in the first place and I took it a little overboard :)
Davin24
04-01-03, 11:01 AM
I wasn t talking to you fish.......I still think your an ass....now bugger off and leave me alone
Great i'm an ass thanks for the compliment.
memystealthandi
04-01-03, 03:05 PM
I think your mistaken..."You have a nice ass" would be a compliment...:D ???? "You're an ass"....well not so much..
I took it as a compliment...so it ends there.
memystealthandi
04-01-03, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by FishV6
I took it as a compliment...so it ends there. :D :D :D :D :D hahahahah...okay then. :thumbup:
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