-=[the GTO bible]=-

[rez604]

THE GTO BIBLE

this page is heavily under construction and is an ongoing project.

this bible will be focusing on turbos&mr's from japan. if something is not mentioned here it is the same as the north american (NA) equivalent.

years:
-1st gen 1990-1993.5 OBDI (flip ups, shark nose styling)
-2nd gen 1993.5-1996 hybrid[93-94]/OBDII[94-96] (projectors, catfish styling)
-2.5 gen 1996-1997 OBDII (US 97/98 bumper, hoop wing)
-3rd gen 1998-2001 OBDII (US 99 style)
-turbos weighing at 1710kg +-10kg through the years
-mr's at 1680kg +-10kg through the years
-first production was october 25th 1990
-october of 93 is the switch to 2nd gen styling
-the final gto came off the line on august 4th 2000 this car was silver
-combining the whole of 3s platform an estimated little more than 180000 cars were produced over its 10 year production. 151454 being the combined stealth&3kgt while the rest being gto's. for sure it is known that 99 there are 2355 and 00 there are 114. the rarest is the "2001" badged gto with only 2 being made.

-the code on your chassis is the production number off the line, this is also your vin. so for example, e-z16a0002500 = 2500th car off the line for that gen
-z16a are the turbos
-z15a are the n/a's and mr's
-there is no z11a (NA sohc) in japan
-all gto's are awd, the n/a's utilizing the dsm drivetrain from first gen auto eclipses
-5spd/6spd switch over same as NA

options catalog:
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/timmm36/59d2f111.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/timmm36/fa1684f6.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/timmm36/8f642c3b.jpg

engine bay
-october 92 onwards forged crank, metal head gasket
-93.5 onwards crank&cam angle sensor implemented. larger exhaust shield lip on turbo chra and turbine housing.
-all gto came with 9b. 13g's were not an option
-clutch res on other side
-steering column on other side
-precats are hollow. dont bother pulling your downpipe off to gut them or getting aftermarket ones, there is nothing in there.
-regarding hp difference: during production of the gto there was a "gentlemens agreement" in japan requiring hp advertisements limited at 280ps (276hp). dont worry, throw your car on the dyno and itll show the 300/320hp crank its supposed to.
-single o2 sensor after the downpipe merger, before the main cat. take note that the bung for this area is at 45deg for fitment.
-no egr. the precat doesnt have a place for egr, however the plenum does. this is blocked off from the factory (near the throttle body). the other spot near the brake booster does not, it is not required.
-clutch damper/remote bleed location.
-temp sensor after cat. this sensor in place for watching overheating of the main cat. not necessary for anything. only lights up dash warning light. remedy by unplugging.
-late 98+ active exhaust removed

driveline
-90-91 stock wheel 16x8+40mm 225/55/16
-later are the 17/18x8.5+46mm with the 245. dont be suprised by getting a 235, this was factory size
-98+ got 18x8+46mm (optional?)
-no clutch switch for startup
-6spd different gearing (shorter) on all 6spds.
-4ws on all years except mr's&n/a's
-november 91+ got 25spline

electronics(computers)
-180km/h speed cut (unlike canada 290km speedo). remedy by cutting pin 66 going to ecu (yellow wire). this removes signal to ecu telling it youve hit 180k.
-cruise max of 115km/hr. yet to find a solution.
-ecu mapped for 100ron (96aki here). thread on this over here: http://forum.canada3si.org/showthread.php?t=4936 & here: http://www.3si.org/forum/f76/attn-all-rhd-gto-turn-down-your-boost-491036/
all sports cars from japan are mapped for 96. solution retard timing or decrease boost till solution found ex.usdm ecu, fuel controller or meth injection.
-base timing is set between 10-15deg, confirmed at pitroadm
-to disable abs system remove fuse. to disable abs light short pins 2&18 and 9&27 for first gens. complete removal up to you.
-climate control in celsius. this is a very nice feature for canada, as even the canadian spec stealths are in F and not C.
-ecu pins some are different, some missing. pin 53 is egrt on usdm, missing on jdm. front o2 missing, cat conv temp extra, will be adding more later with pin numbers.
-egrt wires are missing because jdm doesnt have egr. however, the circuitry is there in the ecu! just need to connect a wire up to the pin 53 in the harness and you can log boost or afr as you please. tested myself with gm 3bar map sensor.

exterior body
-gto writing on the door cap available all years as well as raingaurds,mudflaps
door edge protectors and so on, as can be seen here: http://z1516club.fc2web.com/GOODS-Catalog98-4.jpg
-a close up of what it sais on the door cap here: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3043/1371513.jpg
-close up of gto light up visor. gto lettering lights up neon green when snake eyes turned on: http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1552/1371797.jpg
turned on: http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2416/1371801.jpg & http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/timmm36/05539d79.jpg notice second one is blue, apparently there are 2 different versions of this option.
-yellow rear corner markers (taillights)
-center garnish gto marking on all years cept 99 style, gto moved to top right corner on hatch
-fender side markers additional (turn signal)
-snake eyes with bulbs inside
-front radiator support is different for the first gens compared to NA. take this into consideration if doing front face lift.
-92-95 got optional glass top
-94 on got optional electric sunroof
-96 on active aero removed
-92-93.5 got optional power folding mirrors, 93.5 on standard. vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYd4_nMjXk
-all years have heated mirrors. activated by pressing defrost on ac controls. 2nd gens have seperate button on dash.
- optional rain guards. pic:

interior
-gauges consist of oil pres, boost without numbers and water temp shared, clock
-92 on got power seats
-92.5 on got keyless entry
-optional light up visors for quarter panels saying gto, picture here:
-everything reversed facing driver. this means if you getting shift boot or ebrake boot take not its reverse of NA.
-92 on got leather optional


the MR
-minimum 500 made to meet N1 regulations
-1680kg
-ran a 1/4 fastest of 12.89 stock driven by nakaya (n1 puma gto driver)
-available from 94-01
-there is a few 93's as well as seen here: http://z1516club.fc2web.com/GOODS-Catalog93S-2.jpg )
now confirmed: http://forum.canada3si.org/showpost.php?p=40084&postcount=38
-optional 6piston ap racing brakes. video here:
-non adjustable headrests. pic: http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/221/162896090full.jpg
-different shocks (bleistein?)
-optional 11g turbos. confirmed by australian member with part numbers stamped on the housing. asa should also confirm this. thread here:
also confirmed by ralliart3000gt, contacted mitsubishi directly: http://www.3si.org/forum/1363910-post44.html
-brake ducts to cool brakes down. picture here: http://3000gt.com.au/Dimi/brakevane1.JPG
-hybrid lsd (torsen/viscous). pic: http://www.3si.org/forum/attachments/f116/61645d1154064022-gto-mr-gears-hybridlsd1.jpg
-optional abs (except 97 onward, abs standard)
-no cruise control. picture here: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3298/881/8242940028_large.jpg you can see it wrapping around the plenum
-built on the z15a chassis
-no aws
-no ecs
-no active aero
-optional titanium shift knob. picture here:
-optional bbs wheels with 235/45/17. picture here: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3298/881/8242940028_large.jpg
- optional Multi media pakage (DVD Navigation system)
- optional Carbon fiber meter Bezel
- optional Carrozzeria / KENWOOD audio pakage

92 TT Special Version http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/stuartbodycote/GOODS-Catalog92S-2.jpg
-Choice of 2 special colors - Corse Gray (H89) or Kalder Green (?)
-300 total made
-Different driver seat - Motors & Switches different than normal
-Front leather seats have GTO stitched into the back support http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/stuartbodycote/gtoupdatejuly009.jpg
-17" rims painted in Corse Gray and had a diamond cut outer lip
-Had red stripes too although there is a question as to whether or not the stripes were available as an option on stock ones too.
-Had sunroof/CD player/keyless entry before other models.
courtesy of member "markingtime"

videos:
video of the mr vs regualr gto in quarter mile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqny24tKatY
please note the driver of the mr had a much better launch making a huge difference in the end

video overview of an mr, some options not present:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsJSUnvCFPg&feature=related

puma gto:
http://www.streetfire.net/video/best-motoring-mines-gtr-vs-puma-gto-3000gt-vr4_149125.htm

video comparison of ap brakes againts regular brakes:
(ive seen it before, cant find it)

tuner cars:
pitroad m gto - currently fastest gto in japan
zesty gto
bozz speed gto
bee-r gto
hks gto


info collected through various forums, owners, owning one myself, working on others and japanese translations. if you can contribute in any way whether it be how to better organize, or something you found with proof, or anything else please let me know. more info will be added as the later years are allowed into the country for personal inspection.

references:
z1516club.com -japan
gtolife.net -japan
3si.org -na
gtouk.org.uk -uk
rcw.ms -thailand
mmc publicly released documents
member "markingtime" -usa
evil empire performance -uk
pitroadm -japan

[Vr4Much?]

ate 91 onwards forged crank, metal head gasket. Is there any way to confirm this, this would be awesome if it was true.

I had power folding mirrors on a 92, I also seen them on a 91 here in Calgary.

are you sure every GTO had heated mirrors? I had 5 GTOs and none had heated mirrors 1990/11, 1992/6, 1993/3, 1995/3, 1995/11

[rez604]

Is there any way to confirm this, this would be awesome if it was true.

I had power folding mirrors on a 92, I also seen them on a 91 here in Calgary.

are you sure every GTO had heated mirrors? I had 5 GTOs and none had heated mirrors 1990/11, 1992/6, 1993/3, 1995/3, 1995/11
hey bro, really glad i got your attention cause i know youve had a couple of these.

LATE 91 got forged (the one i had in the shop was nov 91). there is also another 91 here that has forged. im 99% sure these have not been touched prior. if you ever get your hands on a 91 pull the pan off and check to make me 100% sure. 92 on im 100% sure has it.

about the mirrors, now that you mention it i remember seeing a 92 at a dealer in japan with a video showing the power fold. ill updated the info. i highly doubt the 91 had it stock cause i got the info from the japanese site. if you can confirm this i can look deeper into it.

about the heated mirrors: all gto got it, even if you dont have the sticker or the button. wait till your mirrors fog up, turn on your car and press the defrost button on the ac controls, watch the fog melt away. put your hand on the mirror and you will feel the heat. confirmed on 90,2x91,92. im 99% sure the rest of them got it as well.

question for you, what port did your 93 and 95's have? hybrid?

[Vr4Much?]

I've never really checked cause none of them had CELs, just the 92 after I stored it outside for a full season.

I thought there was a separate button for the heated mirrors, guess not.

I might buy an MR or 2 in the next few years If still like these cars then

[rez604]

added a new section, parts numbers list.

[rez604]

tiny update, gonna be working with the ECU soon and getting the pin numbers and their functions down.

im going to be installing a map sensor to log with but jdm doesnt have the egrt wire, gonna have to find another 0-5v input or possibly even solder in the circuit for it. more updates later.

[rez604]

another update, getting input from the Australians now

edit: another nice update going through ralliart3000gt's posts on 3si. for those who dont know, this is the guy that works for ralliart and has worked with all years and model gto's in person [in japan]. he is currently residing in the states as a licensed vendor for them.

edit2: got a pic of the non adjustable headrests for the mr

[markingtime]

I am in the process of installing power folding GTO mirrors from a wrecked 98 GTO in Japan on my 94 3000GT. They did not have the heat option and the wiring plugs only had 5 pins in the 7 pin plug. I also bought a spare power folding mirror from a wrecked 92 GTO in Canada that did have the heat option and 7 pins in the 7 pin plug so obviously the mirrors were available with and without heat. The other mirror on the 92 was damaged in the wreck but the wiring was good so I ended up with two 7 pin wiring assemblies. I got the JDM control switch and control unit for the folding mirrors off the 92 also.

The mirror faces on my 3000GT are heated and swap right in for the non heated ones in the 98 housing so I will end up with heated power folding mirrors. The control unit had a lot of extra wires coming out of it that seemed unrelated to the mirrors so I ordered the electrical schematics for the GTO from Japan and they arrived a few days ago. They needed a little translation but I hope to be able to bench test on Tuesday.

Interesting to note, the heated GTO mirror I got from Canada did not have the "heat" symbol etched into the mirror face. The heated ones on my 3000GT do.

[rez604]

I am in the process of installing power folding GTO mirrors from a wrecked 98 GTO in Japan on my 94 3000GT. They did not have the heat option and the wiring plugs only had 5 pins in the 7 pin plug. I also bought a spare power folding mirror from a wrecked 92 GTO in Canada that did have the heat option and 7 pins in the 7 pin plug so obviously the mirrors were available with and without heat. The other mirror on the 92 was damaged in the wreck but the wiring was good so I ended up with two 7 pin wiring assemblies. I got the JDM control switch and control unit for the folding mirrors off the 92 also.

The mirror faces on my 3000GT are heated and swap right in for the non heated ones in the 98 housing so I will end up with heated power folding mirrors. The control unit had a lot of extra wires coming out of it that seemed unrelated to the mirrors so I ordered the electrical schematics for the GTO from Japan and they arrived a few days ago. They needed a little translation but I hope to be able to bench test on Tuesday.

Interesting to note, the heated GTO mirror I got from Canada did not have the "heat" symbol etched into the mirror face. The heated ones on my 3000GT do.
all years GTO have it. meaning gto harness, ecu, controls, etc. the first gen is activated through the ac controls unlike the 2nd gens that have a separate switch on the dash. the usdm climate control is different than jdm [not just with the F and C reading, this being one of them]. none of the 4 first gens here have the stickers on them but they are all heated including mine.

[markingtime]

all years GTO have it. meaning gto harness, ecu, controls, etc. the first gen is activated through the ac controls unlike the 2nd gens that have a separate switch on the dash. the usdm climate control is different than jdm [not just with the F and C reading, this being one of them]. none of the 4 first gens here have the stickers on them but they are all heated including mine.

All I know is that the 2 power folding mirrors I got off a 98 GTO in Japane did not have heat and only had 5 wires going into their 7 wire plug (male & female) but the mirror out of the 92 grey market GTO in Canada had heat and its plugs had all 7 wires.

[rez604]

All I know is that the 2 power folding mirrors I got off a 98 GTO in Japane did not have heat and only had 5 wires going into their 7 wire plug (male & female) but the mirror out of the 92 grey market GTO in Canada had heat and its plugs had all 7 wires.
thank you for your input, i will have to look further into this it looks like. i will update once i get a definitive answer.

[markingtime]

Here is something you may wish to include in your "Bible". The first marketed upgrade by John Hennessey was for the 1992 3000GT VR4 sold as the 450hp VR-200 (no idea what it stands for). It was not sanctioned by MMC for liability reasons and it voided the warranty, but Hennessey backed it with a 3 year warranty. Since then he has become more famous for his Hennessey Vetts and Vipers.

http://www.3000gtspyder.com/spyder/VR200.htm

At least 8 were made. I have emailed them to try and get more information and I have ordered a back issue of the magazine.

[rez604]

Here is something you may wish to include in your "Bible". The first marketed upgrade by John Hennessey was for the 1992 3000GT VR4 sold as the 450hp VR-200 (no idea what it stands for). It was not sanctioned by MMC for liability reasons and it voided the warranty, but Hennessey backed it with a 3 year warranty. Since then he has become more famous for his Hennessey Vetts and Vipers.

http://www.3000gtspyder.com/spyder/VR200.htm

At least 8 were made. I have emailed them to try and get more information and I have ordered a back issue of the magazine.
very nice, ive herd of it before but never saw the article. thanks for sharing.

if i include that, i would have to include all the 3k's from USDM like DR, pampena, 3sx, etc. ;) this is GTO only

[markingtime]

very nice, ive herd of it before but never saw the article. thanks for sharing.

if i include that, i would have to include all the 3k's from USDM like DR, pampena, 3sx, etc. ;) this is GTO only

I suppose you are right. Too bad it wasn't sanctioned like the Spyders.

[markingtime]

I'm getting the details on a spec you don't show for UK GTOs. Apparently they have electric height adjustment (I'm assuming 2nd Gen/Mk2). The headlight bucket is a different design for them. When I get less vague information I will pass it on.

[surreal]

-ecu mapped for 100ron (96aki here). huge thread on this over here:

do you have the link for this thread mentioned above?
so its assumed that jdm ecus use more aggressive ign timing maps? do people plugging jdm ecus into usdm cars have knock problems?

it seems strange that a manufacturer would tune a stock ecu so aggressively that youd see significant knock when using fuel that is only 1 or 2 octane lower than recommended.

not really an issue if you have engine management, but still interesting.

[markingtime]

-ecu mapped for 100ron (96aki here). huge thread on this over here:
Over where?

[rez604]

do you have the link for this thread mentioned above? found it and posted it up. http://forum.canada3si.org/showthread.php?t=4936 & here: http://www.3si.org/forum/f76/attn-all-rhd-gto-turn-down-your-boost-491036/
so its assumed that jdm ecus use more aggressive ign timing maps?
they have more aggressive ignition timing map and fuel map.
do people plugging jdm ecus into usdm cars have knock problems?
i would assume so [i hope they are logging], but i dont think as harsh cause their udsm engines base timings are lower [im researching this right now, but i believe jdm engine base timing is 10deg+-2]

it seems strange that a manufacturer would tune a stock ecu so aggressively that youd see significant knock when using fuel that is only 1 or 2 octane lower than recommended.
well all the manufacturers did it back then, im not sure about now. for ex. the skylines that come here get remapped right away to our fuel as i found out on gtrcanada and a chat with a few of its members. they experienced exact same thing.

simple solution to all this? datalog! i cant stress this enough with these cars. we have so many options now you cant make excuses.

*if you would like to continue this discussion please post up on the other thread.*

[markingtime]

I think it may be worth noting that there were 3 distinct country specs produced. There is the JDM RHD GTO & GTO MR versions for the Japanese home market that has been widely imported by many other RHD countries (including the UK that has their own spec) as a grey market import. There is a UK RHD 3000GT version to meet some specific United Kingdom requirements. And lastly the the US LHD 3000GT & 3000GT Spyder versions for the US market. Any GTOs in the US or UK are grey market import JDM GTOs.

The JDM and US spec versions are pretty well known to everyone as far as what was offered on them and when. I have recently been talking to our UK mates and learned stuff about the UK spec that does not appear to be common knowledge and thought I would share it here to see if it merited adding to the Bible. If nothing else it may be food for thought for new upgrades, it has been for me.

First off UK spec, like the US spec, 3000GTs never had the power folding side mirrors of their JDM cousins, a popular retrofit in the UK since they have a lot of grey market GTOs. What they did have, starting with the 2nd gen (called Mark 2 in the UK),were unique cab controlled, electric height adjustable headlight beams, intended to allow the driver to compensate for a heavy load in the back. Active Exhaust was available in the first gen UK GTs, but was replaced in the second gen with the height adjusting headlights. Here is a picture of the headlight height control roller switch (taking the place of the Active Exhaust switch in the VR4), next to the commonly recognizable rear wash/wipe toggle switch.
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/staffordcox/Headlightadjustmentswitch.jpg

Another distinct difference in their headlight lineage was that while the US & JDM cars had glass headlights in 1994, UK spec 3000GTs went straight to plastic headlights with the start of the 2nd gen (Mk2) in 94. However 2nd gen UK GTs did not get the 6 speed until 96.

[rez604]

wow very nice! appreciating all the info your finding out.

[markingtime]

UPDATE (and edited above):

Active Exhaust was available in the first gen UK GTs, but was replaced in the second gen with the height adjusting headlights.

Further more, 2nd gen UK GTs did not get the 6 speed until 96.

Working on more stuff.

[rez604]

updated first post regarding EGRT input for guys that want to use it as map sensor/afr input

[rez604]

tiny update, found pic of hybrid LSD on MR's, thanks to ralliart3000gt.
edit: also added pics of the gto options catalog, bunch of stuff there.

[markingtime]

That is a very interesting bit. Is it different from the standard MR rear diff? How was it offered?

[surreal]

good collection of info

so what are the odds of finding a part number for those plastic brake duct panels? has anyone checked caps? would be awesome if they could be ordered...

[rez604]

That is a very interesting bit. Is it different from the standard MR rear diff? How was it offered?
the standard MR rear diff is the standard jdm 6spd rear diff. it was offered as an upgraded option.

ralli said it helped alot with understeer going into corners and neutralized the car coming out of them.
good collection of info

so what are the odds of finding a part number for those plastic brake duct panels? has anyone checked caps? would be awesome if they could be ordered...
the brake ducts are metal. you would need the A arm from the MR as well cause only they have the mounting holes/brackets for them. as far as parts numbers i got nothing. i think a search through japanese asa might turn up something though...

[markingtime]

I have Japanese ASA but it works best with a VIN. Have one?

[surreal]

that rear diff is pretty cool but probably near impossible to ever find.

so there is actually a different a-arm produced only for the mr model..? strange.

worst case i could add the mounting points myself. although i might as well just make the plate myself too at that point haha. thought this might just be an easy short-cut.

markingtime; you need a vin/serial from a jdm gto?

[markingtime]

that rear diff is pretty cool but probably near impossible to ever find.

so there is actually a different a-arm produced only for the mr model..? strange.

worst case i could add the mounting points myself. although i might as well just make the plate myself too at that point haha. thought this might just be an easy short-cut.

markingtime; you need a vin/serial from a jdm gto?


Yes, ASA is much more helpful when you can plug one in.

[markingtime]

tiny update, found pic of hybrid LSD on MR's, thanks to ralliart3000gt.
edit: also added pics of the gto options catalog, bunch of stuff there.

I have looked into availability on these and the best information I could get says that only about 50 of these exist.

[rez604]

woah thats crazy considering there is at least 500 MR's out there...i wonder if its cheaper/better to just go with a kaaz rear diff.

ill keep my eye out on the auctions to grab you an MR vin number.

[rez604]

updated some stuff about production months in which the switch was made over to 25spline and forged cranks. also added info about a special version available in 92. a huge thanks to markingtime and rob at evil empire for all the info.

[GTOtt-Stu]

Great read! Im the owner of the Special version interior pic :o

[rez604]

Great read! Im the owner of the Special version interior pic :o
awesome! if you find anything else do share :)

[GTOtt-Stu]

If you want more pics, let me know as I have plenty of my car. Only discovered the whole 'Special Version' thing a couple weeks ago.

[markingtime]

Great read! Im the owner of the Special version interior pic :o

I thought I felt something dragging behind me on the internet . . . . again!

Welcome to North America Stu and thanks for the info.:)

[GTOtt-Stu]

Yeah I thought you may say something when I saw your name up here :p Im your interweb stalker lol

[rez604]

wow just found something very cool
1993 MR version

Z16A-0016540
Model: GTO
Colour code : H89
Code of upholstery: 14H
Code of a model: Z16A-MNGF3
Description: GTO TWIN-TURBO MR SPECIAL VERSION,5FM/T

its up on auction right now.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T1 Qw6gbsU-41nesX3fLyibh0.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T1 TjIhadV-41nesX3fLyibh0.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T. jpg

[markingtime]

looks nice, though I don't think those are the stock Special Edition wheels.

[rez604]

those bbs are the stock wheels that came on MR's, optional on the other gtos

[markingtime]

those bbs are the stock wheels that came on MR's, optional on the other gtos

Did not know that. Wouldn't mind having an original set if they came in 18s and weighed a lot less than the stock ones on my 94.

[Evil Rob]

wow just found something very cool
1993 MR version

Z16A-0016540
Model: GTO
Colour code : H89
Code of upholstery: 14H
Code of a model: Z16A-MNGF3
Description: GTO TWIN-TURBO MR SPECIAL VERSION,5FM/T

its up on auction right now.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T1 Qw6gbsU-41nesX3fLyibh0.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T1 TjIhadV-41nesX3fLyibh0.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/rez604/0glThvoLTiRAPE8y8G1SCBTgNIxnthkg8nb6rVz33FVFWHG2T. jpg


Hi Everybody..

Thought i would join up here to correct some of the small errors this thread contains and also help you guys with any info that you may want to know..

Firstly the car above despite what is written on its action sheet is a standard MK1 GTO Twin Turbo.
They never made a MK1 MR..lol
That car was built 2nd Jan 1993
The BBS wheels fitted to it however were an option on the MK2 MR's by the way, so perhaps that where their confusion started.

The MR's were only produced between very late 1994 and ended very early 1996. And they made 1000's of them !!!
The car had slowed down in its sales and they cleverly marketed the GTO MR to shadow the EVO MR which was a proper homologation car for racing, which the GTO MR was not

They were basically a Japanese version of the SL model you guy had over there, but the Japanese still used the twin turbo motor.
They did have a few options like the incredibly rare Hybrid LSD Diff , which must be mated to the correct gearbox as they are a pair !!! Just so you know. THis LDS had to be ordered at time of purchase and was available as some thing to buy later.
Also the MR 6 speed gearbox is also different in a few ways to the normal 6 speed unit fitted, for example 6th and reverse gears are thinner for what reason i do not know as the casings are exactly the same and so is the rest of the gear cluster!!!

I have seen MR's with ECS, ABS but never with cruise control !

I will pop in from time to time and see what you guys are chatting about and if i can help i will do so... I am not posting on here to be little anyone... But there is far too much rubbish posted about the JDM GTO !! and this thread is actually the best one i have seen.

When i get some spare time i will go through the entire thread and see what is wrong and add comments for you to with as you wish.


Take it easy everyone

Cheers Rob

PS Hi to GTO Stu

and Marking Time who kindly pointed me in the direction of this thread !!!

[markingtime]

Welcome Rob to the The Great White North. Glad to see you found your way over. Do you know if the MR Special Edition wheels ever came in 18", and if so, how much they weighed?

By the way, I recently found out you can still buy new Hybrid LSDs for a price, but it is around $4500 including getting them here.:eek:

[GTOtt-Stu]

Hi Rob!
Here's a screen shot of what Staff came up with. The MR is from using Eltons old mk1's chassis number, the other two specials are mine and a guy in NZ....any idea's on this?

http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/staffordcox/Z16A-0013864.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/staffordcox/Z16A-0013841.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/staffordcox/Z16A-0006557.jpg

All Coarse Gray too but Eltons didnt come with leather looking at the interior code, and compare the chassis number on the auction car against Eltons old chassis number which are just 17 cars apart.

Also this was found...

Also something to note is that according to ASA, the MR special version has a Z16A designation, which has to mean it is an MR model WITH a 4WS chassis? ...maybe only 1st Gen MRs were Z16A, as all the MRs ive seen/heard/read about are Z15A (non-4WS) chassis?

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/timmm36/ASAspecialMR.png

[GTOtt-Stu]

Right Ive done some real digging now....on the MR. Found this info via a Japanese owners page, Ive used a translator to make this little quote readable.

Vehicle format ：E-Z16A
Length: 4565 ｍｍ
Wingspan: 1840 ｍｍ
Total height: 1285 ｍｍ

Weight: 1710 kgf （ TT-5MT ）
　　　 1690 kgf （ NA-4AT ）

Tire size: 225 / 50R17 94 V Special Version
European tuned suspension
ブレーキクーリングエア Guide
Made by company BBS forged tinfoil （ 7.5 JJ x 17 ）
Private seat fabric
CD Autochanger
Exclusive colors
300 Limited

......here's a couple of pics for you ;)

[markingtime]

Sounds like you need to run down and get some extra insurance on your car now that you know it is so rare. I assume that " wingspan" means the fender to fender width since on this side of the pond the wing is what sits on the hatch (boot to you).:D

[GTOtt-Stu]

Nah, doesn't matter how rare it is, it's still worth sod all over here in the uk.

[rez604]

Hi Everybody..
hey Rob, welcome to the forum. im happy to have you contributing to this thread.

Firstly the car above despite what is written on its action sheet is a standard MK1 GTO Twin Turbo.
They never made a MK1 MR..lol

look at the catalog pictures posted on the first post and the ones stu just put up, there definitly was a round of 1st gen MR's made in 93 though they are not up to the standard of the 2nd gen MR's

The MR's were only produced between very late 1994 and ended very early 1996.

they were produced from 93-00, i dont know why you think they stopped in 96?


Also the MR 6 speed gearbox is also different in a few ways to the normal 6 speed unit fitted, for example 6th and reverse gears are thinner for what reason i do not know as the casings are exactly the same and so is the rest of the gear cluster!!!
very interesting, did not know this.


I will pop in from time to time and see what you guys are chatting about and if i can help i will do so... I am not posting on here to be little anyone... But there is far too much rubbish posted about the JDM GTO !! and this thread is actually the best one i have seen.
thank you very much, i try to keep it as factual as possible. your contribution is a big asset to this thread.

Right Ive done some real digging now....on the MR. Found this info via a Japanese owners page, Ive used a translator to make this little quote readable.
......here's a couple of pics for you ;)
if you look on the first post i have a picture up as well ;)

[GTOtt-Stu]

Sorry fella, i thought i'd seen those pics before :o

[rez604]

Sorry fella, i thought i'd seen those pics before :o
what are you apologizing for? are you canadian lol


oh and something you all might be interested in...im visiting pitroadm in april!!!